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Tax sale set for Gravity Pub to MSR spaces on Glenwood
« on: August 13, 2010, 03:29 pm »
Jeff Notrica may have lost many of his EAV properties to bankruptcy, but to this point he's held on to most of what he owned under his Glenwood Gresham LLC - the spaces that house Gravity Pub to MSR on Glenwood, the crappy buildings behind MSR on Gresham and the corner house on Gresham at Portland. He lost the really expensive unpaid parking lot behind Graveyard to foreclosure earlier this year.

But I decided to check up on those properties today and found that everything except the "boat building" still held by Glenwood Gresham LLC is set for a tax sale come December according to the county. Seems that the LLC is behind on 2008 and 2009 taxes (i.e. they haven't paid them) to the tune of $82,475. And, no, they haven't paid 2010 taxes, either. So the county has set a tax sale date for all of them. Notrica has gotten tax sale notices before and held on to things, but I don't know that this will be the fate in our current economic climate. Tax sales in Georgia, if I understand things correctly, mean somebody buys the right to the tax debt, which means they hold a lein on the property, which ultimately means they can foreclose on the property if the debt is not paid.

The "boat building", by the way, also has unpaid 2008 and 2009 taxes totalling $16,730, but it's not listed as having a tax sale date set.

Just so you know.
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Re: Tax sale set for Gravity Pub to MSR spaces on Glenwood
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2010, 03:32 pm »
Oh for that winning Powerball ticket...
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Re: Tax sale set for Gravity Pub to MSR spaces on Glenwood
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2010, 03:55 pm »
Oh for that winning Powerball ticket...

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i wonder if i could talk my dad into an 84K loan... 

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Re: Tax sale set for Gravity Pub to MSR spaces on Glenwood
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2010, 04:29 pm »
Do the lenders go around and purchase the tax liens at these sales? 

What are the odds of regular folks like us (or a consortium of folks) actually becoming the owners of these properties?

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Re: Tax sale set for Gravity Pub to MSR spaces on Glenwood
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2010, 04:51 pm »
Do the lenders go around and purchase the tax liens at these sales? 

What are the odds of regular folks like us (or a consortium of folks) actually becoming the owners of these properties?
You can own it if you pay for it. If you buy a tax lien you're basically giving the property owner a laon. People make a business of this but it ties  up your money for a while. Once a year or so you either get paid for the tax lien with interest anywhere from 18%-24% (average) or you have the opportunity to purchase the property at that time. It's a good way to pick up land/property if you have the time and money to buy tax liens.
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Re: Tax sale set for Gravity Pub to MSR spaces on Glenwood
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2010, 08:41 am »
Do the lenders go around and purchase the tax liens at these sales? 

What are the odds of regular folks like us (or a consortium of folks) actually becoming the owners of these properties?
It's not lead by lenders, but there is an industry around buying tax liens.  Vesta Holdings is the biggest player around Georgia (Vesta is led by John Ramsey, father of late Jonbenet), and it tends to scoop up tax liens before the little people have a chance.  Vesta's expertise, funding sources, and relationships with municipalities make it fairly difficult for joe public to get hold of these things.  There are also agreements that counties can enter into with bulk purchasers without selling them auction style to the general public. 

Most folks, including Vesta, see tax liens as investments rather than a way to purchase property - you get a 20% return for the first (or any part of the first) year and 10% for each year (or part of each year) after that.  After you own the lien for 12 months, you can foreclose it to take title to the actual property, but it's a decent amount of hassle.  If I were looking to do a co-op purchase of the lien with an eye to own the actual property, I think it would be a good idea to include in the investor group a lawyer that has foreclosed a few tax liens (and plans to do it as part of his/her investment on the project).  Otherwise you may end up with ton of legal fees a little over a year after the initial investment.
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Re: Tax sale set for Gravity Pub to MSR spaces on Glenwood
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2010, 09:23 am »
Do the lenders go around and purchase the tax liens at these sales? 

What are the odds of regular folks like us (or a consortium of folks) actually becoming the owners of these properties?
It's not lead by lenders, but there is an industry around buying tax liens.  Vesta Holdings is the biggest player around Georgia (Vesta is led by John Ramsey, father of late Jonbenet), and it tends to scoop up tax liens before the little people have a chance.  Vesta's expertise, funding sources, and relationships with municipalities make it fairly difficult for joe public to get hold of these things.  There are also agreements that counties can enter into with bulk purchasers without selling them auction style to the general public. 

Most folks, including Vesta, see tax liens as investments rather than a way to purchase property - you get a 20% return for the first (or any part of the first) year and 10% for each year (or part of each year) after that.  After you own the lien for 12 months, you can foreclose it to take title to the actual property, but it's a decent amount of hassle.  If I were looking to do a co-op purchase of the lien with an eye to own the actual property, I think it would be a good idea to include in the investor group a lawyer that has foreclosed a few tax liens (and plans to do it as part of his/her investment on the project).  Otherwise you may end up with ton of legal fees a little over a year after the initial investment.

If you own the tax lein, do you stand in the front of the line to foreclose? And assuming there's a lender behind the purchase (a lot of those spots were bought in a multi-parcel sale of $2 million or so), can the lender choose to pay off the "owner's" taxes if they are in a position to foreclose? I'd think even in these depressed real estate times, $82K might be a silly amount for a lender to lose its security in those properties over.
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Re: Tax sale set for Gravity Pub to MSR spaces on Glenwood
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2010, 09:55 am »
Ken, yes, tax liens have foreclosure priority. And yes, any good lender would require the debtor to keep abreast (heh) of taxes as part of the loan documents with the right to pay them if the debtor does not.  You're right. Those are valuable buildings (for the most part) and are tenanted. A lender would be silly to let them be taken.
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Re: Tax sale set for Gravity Pub to MSR spaces on Glenwood
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2010, 01:19 pm »
It appears the inman park properties website has been taken down....

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Re: Tax sale set for Gravity Pub to MSR spaces on Glenwood
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2010, 03:25 pm »
It appears the inman park properties website has been taken down....

Ha - "Bad Request (Invalid Hostname)"

Appropriate.
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