Plans filed for retail development by Glenwood Park

[JBB]

Hard to tell from their flyer, but it seems like the smaller retail would front on Glenwood and the Walmart would be tucked behind it? I'd assume vehicle access would be both on Glenwood and BKW.

that would be a good assumption, I'd say... maybe a light on Glenwood at the MHJHS parking lot entrance... be curious to see how the access to BK Way plays out.

[hfranks]

There are a half dozen perfect spots for a development this size on Memorial. Why crap on Glenwood?

Probably demographic studies, closer to 20, Grant Park, OP, burgeoning area, household incomes.  A lot goes in to the site selection.

You realize I'm talking about directly north of I20.  All the same applies except that Memorial is already 4 lanes wide and it wouldn't back onto a historic residential district.  Think of visibility from the interstate!  Free marketing. 

[Cap'n Ken]

There are a half dozen perfect spots for a development this size on Memorial. Why crap on Glenwood?

Probably demographic studies, closer to 20, Grant Park, OP, burgeoning area, household incomes.  A lot goes in to the site selection.

You realize I'm talking about directly north of I20.  All the same applies except that Memorial is already 4 lanes wide and it wouldn't back onto a historic residential district.  Think of visibility from the interstate!  Free marketing.

Get yourself some investors and make it happen.

[mellamur]

There are a half dozen perfect spots for a development this size on Memorial. Why crap on Glenwood?

Probably demographic studies, closer to 20, Grant Park, OP, burgeoning area, household incomes.  A lot goes in to the site selection.

You realize I'm talking about directly north of I20.  All the same applies except that Memorial is already 4 lanes wide and it wouldn't back onto a historic residential district.  Think of visibility from the interstate!  Free marketing.

Get yourself some investors and make it happen.

The other side of I-20 would be a much better option. I don't think they could have an exit on the Bill Kennedy Way side. You already have the exit ramp and entrances to Enzo right there. It would be a nightmare trying to turn left. Seems like they'd also have to widen Glenwood to 4 lanes across from the high school. Traffic patterns will be a real challenge.

[ManBearPig]

FWIW living 3 blocks from ERD and having lived here prior to ERD, the traffic issue that was so widely discussed has not been a problem.  The stupid 2 light intersection at Moreland and Memorial has a far more detrimental affect on traffic than ERD ever has.  You will note that there is almost never a pile of cars in front of ERD, they are always backing up at little 5 and then at memorial.  I say bring on the Waltons!

Well .. I don't notice those Moreland traffic problems at 8 a.m. Sunday morning. Surely you recognize that the volume of traffic coming in and out of ERD is a big driver for traffic issues along Moreland and you can't just look at what is happening at the front door.

Of course this brings some more vehicles, however my point is that it is managed quite well, and at least from my experience is not the driver of the traffic shit show that Moreland can become.

[Cap'n Ken]

There are a half dozen perfect spots for a development this size on Memorial. Why crap on Glenwood?

Probably demographic studies, closer to 20, Grant Park, OP, burgeoning area, household incomes.  A lot goes in to the site selection.

You realize I'm talking about directly north of I20.  All the same applies except that Memorial is already 4 lanes wide and it wouldn't back onto a historic residential district.  Think of visibility from the interstate!  Free marketing.

Get yourself some investors and make it happen.

The other side of I-20 would be a much better option. I don't think they could have an exit on the Bill Kennedy Way side. You already have the exit ramp and entrances to Enzo right there. It would be a nightmare trying to turn left. Seems like they'd also have to widen Glenwood to 4 lanes across from the high school. Traffic patterns will be a real challenge.

Perfect, then. You'll make a fortune.

[Cap'n Ken]

FWIW living 3 blocks from ERD and having lived here prior to ERD, the traffic issue that was so widely discussed has not been a problem.  The stupid 2 light intersection at Moreland and Memorial has a far more detrimental affect on traffic than ERD ever has.  You will note that there is almost never a pile of cars in front of ERD, they are always backing up at little 5 and then at memorial.  I say bring on the Waltons!

Well .. I don't notice those Moreland traffic problems at 8 a.m. Sunday morning. Surely you recognize that the volume of traffic coming in and out of ERD is a big driver for traffic issues along Moreland and you can't just look at what is happening at the front door.

Of course this brings some more vehicles, however my point is that it is managed quite well, and at least from my experience is not the driver of the traffic shit show that Moreland can become.

I agree for the most part it seems to be managed pretty well all things considered. But then again, I've reworked my entire travel paths between EAV and ERD or anything up that way to avoid Moreland, so I might not be an authority.

In any case, I really do believe the value added by what ERD brought to the area is worth both the feared traffic issues and the reality we have now.

[J. Grouchy]

There are a half dozen perfect spots for a development this size on Memorial. Why crap on Glenwood?

Probably demographic studies, closer to 20, Grant Park, OP, burgeoning area, household incomes.  A lot goes in to the site selection.

You realize I'm talking about directly north of I20.  All the same applies except that Memorial is already 4 lanes wide and it wouldn't back onto a historic residential district.  Think of visibility from the interstate!  Free marketing.

Get yourself some investors and make it happen.

The other side of I-20 would be a much better option. I don't think they could have an exit on the Bill Kennedy Way side. You already have the exit ramp and entrances to Enzo right there. It would be a nightmare trying to turn left. Seems like they'd also have to widen Glenwood to 4 lanes across from the high school. Traffic patterns will be a real challenge.

There's space between the exit ramp and apartments...granted, it would take building a bridge or a graded ramp there since the site is sunk down quite a bit right there.  I assume they'd have to put in another light right there too.  I can't remember if there is access to the site off Faith...but I'm sure using that would really thrill the ENSO folks.

[JBB]

the Enso entrance at the Faith Avenue intersection stubs out just beyond the turn for the Enso parking structure.  This would likely be extended to double as the BKW entrance to Glenwood Place, with some small retail buildings next to the exit ramp.

[Cap'n Ken]

the Enso entrance at the Faith Avenue intersection stubs out just beyond the turn for the Enso parking structure.  This would likely be extended to double as the BKW entrance to Glenwood Place, with some small retail buildings next to the exit ramp.

... sounds like somebody has seen a plan.

[J. Grouchy]

the Enso entrance at the Faith Avenue intersection stubs out just beyond the turn for the Enso parking structure.  This would likely be extended to double as the BKW entrance to Glenwood Place, with some small retail buildings next to the exit ramp.

... sounds like somebody has seen a plan.

Some kind of access easement for the neighboring property (concrete plant/Glenwood Place), I assume.

[Go Sox]

There are a half dozen perfect spots for a development this size on Memorial. Why crap on Glenwood?

Probably demographic studies, closer to 20, Grant Park, OP, burgeoning area, household incomes.  A lot goes in to the site selection.

You realize I'm talking about directly north of I20.  All the same applies except that Memorial is already 4 lanes wide and it wouldn't back onto a historic residential district.  Think of visibility from the interstate!  Free marketing.

I like that much better than the other side.

[J. Grouchy]

There are a half dozen perfect spots for a development this size on Memorial. Why crap on Glenwood?

Probably demographic studies, closer to 20, Grant Park, OP, burgeoning area, household incomes.  A lot goes in to the site selection.

You realize I'm talking about directly north of I20.  All the same applies except that Memorial is already 4 lanes wide and it wouldn't back onto a historic residential district.  Think of visibility from the interstate!  Free marketing.

I like that much better than the other side.

They'd have to do something about that damn reversible lane then...

[Clue]

I live in the east side of Grant Park.  This is a residential area.  It's not like Edgewood Retail, which was a large block of land with access from US-23 / Moreland on the west side while fronting MARTA on the north side.  What's the acreage of this spot?  It's not very big, & they are talking about putting a single big box 100,000 sq ft store there?  I'm not necessarily opposed to having box retail go into the spot.  But it should be something that meets needs of nearby residents and that will not bring in an undue amount of traffic onto a residential street in the middle of a historic neighborhood.

Jeff Fuqua has also developed Fresh Market stores and other types of retail.  If it were something like a small Publix or Fresh Market I would be thrilled.  This isn't about having negative views of a brand, it's about what they actually do.  There are reasons most of us prefer the experience of shopping at Target over Wal-Mart & prefer non-big box retail over both.  Fresh Markets are designed to be pretty & look like an old fashioned store outside & inside.   They aren't 150,000 sq ft - instead they are 20,000.  (note to self: this store is as big as 7 1/2 Fresh Markets!)

Those smaller urban market Wal-Marts - their Neighborhood Markets - seem to be going after the Fresh Market approach, with 20,000 sq ft & prettier interiors instead of the cheap floors & ugly lighting & lots of shelving most Wal-Marts have.  But their exteriors are still ugly & they will be really hard to fight on following through on promised accommodations.

Seems pretty similar in that this has both residential and non residential around it.  ERD has plenty of residential in the other two directions you didn't mention. 

I am also curious has how the size of this property compares to ERD. 

[Go Sox]

I live in the east side of Grant Park.  This is a residential area.  It's not like Edgewood Retail, which was a large block of land with access from US-23 / Moreland on the west side while fronting MARTA on the north side.  What's the acreage of this spot?  It's not very big, & they are talking about putting a single big box 100,000 sq ft store there?  I'm not necessarily opposed to having box retail go into the spot.  But it should be something that meets needs of nearby residents and that will not bring in an undue amount of traffic onto a residential street in the middle of a historic neighborhood.

Jeff Fuqua has also developed Fresh Market stores and other types of retail.  If it were something like a small Publix or Fresh Market I would be thrilled.  This isn't about having negative views of a brand, it's about what they actually do.  There are reasons most of us prefer the experience of shopping at Target over Wal-Mart & prefer non-big box retail over both.  Fresh Markets are designed to be pretty & look like an old fashioned store outside & inside.   They aren't 150,000 sq ft - instead they are 20,000.  (note to self: this store is as big as 7 1/2 Fresh Markets!)

Those smaller urban market Wal-Marts - their Neighborhood Markets - seem to be going after the Fresh Market approach, with 20,000 sq ft & prettier interiors instead of the cheap floors & ugly lighting & lots of shelving most Wal-Marts have.  But their exteriors are still ugly & they will be really hard to fight on following through on promised accommodations.

Seems pretty similar in that this has both residential and non residential around it.  ERD has plenty of residential in the other two directions you didn't mention. 

I am also curious has how the size of this property compares to ERD.

It's like comparing a pea to an apple. Lowes, Target and Kroger alone have to be upwards of 300,000 SF, Bookstore, 25,000, Office Depot, 16,500, Ross, 30,0000, PetStore, 25,000.  I don't know, 70,000 SF of additional retail?  These are educated guesses, but there's no comparison. You're comparing what is essentially a stand alone anchor with a tiny strip in front (not even big enoug for a legitimate co-anchor) to a large retail, office and residential development.