Paterno ('s career) = Dead

[The Lord of the Jungle]

Though did anyone NOT see this coming?
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html

[katherine77]

I get the feeling they've been looking for a good reason to give him the boot for a while now. Though it won't change much, since he mostly sits in the box for the whole game anyway.

The important question is, will this distract the players this weekend vs. Nebraska or inspire them to whoop some ass?

[The Lord of the Jungle]

I get the feeling they've been looking for a good reason to give him the boot for a while now. Though it won't change much, since he mostly sits in the box for the whole game anyway.

The important question is, will this distract the players this weekend vs. Nebraska or inspire them to whoop some ass?

I assume you're being sarcastic.

[cmcewen]

Based on the facts as I've seen them reported over and over again, the kids are the only ones in this story who deserve any pity. If Joe Paterno actually was told about what was happening, and if indeed his response was to merely pass the information along to someone else, then his fate and his legacy both deserve to be very, very unpleasant.

[The Lord of the Jungle]

Based on the facts as I've seen them reported over and over again, the kids are the only ones in this story who deserve any pity. If Joe Paterno actually was told about what was happening, and if indeed his response was to merely pass the information along to someone else, then his fate and his legacy both deserve to be very, very unpleasant.

Yeah, thus I thought this deserved its thread.  I'm not sure that we yet appreciate the implications of what went on there: serial abuse of kids, and a blind eye turned throughout the administration... hell, through MULTIPLE admins.
 
This is well beyond whatever the hell the players might be thinking about Nebraska.

[cmcewen]

Based on the facts as I've seen them reported over and over again, the kids are the only ones in this story who deserve any pity. If Joe Paterno actually was told about what was happening, and if indeed his response was to merely pass the information along to someone else, then his fate and his legacy both deserve to be very, very unpleasant.

Yeah, thus I thought this deserved its thread.  I'm not sure that we yet appreciate the implications of what went on there: serial abuse of kids, and a blind eye turned throughout the administration... hell, through MULTIPLE admins.
 
This is well beyond whatever the hell the players might be thinking about Nebraska.

Well said

[Big Larry]

Good article by Staples.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/11/08/penn-state-joe-paterno-scandal/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a1

And one by Mandel proving he is once again a fool, on page 2.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/11/06/sec-lsu-alabama-missouri/index.html?sct=cf_wr_a2

[katherine77]

I get the feeling they've been looking for a good reason to give him the boot for a while now. Though it won't change much, since he mostly sits in the box for the whole game anyway.

The important question is, will this distract the players this weekend vs. Nebraska or inspire them to whoop some ass?

I assume you're being sarcastic.

Indeed. Sorry, it doesn't translate well online sometimes.

[The Lord of the Jungle]

And one by Mandel proving he is once again a fool, on page 2.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/11/06/sec-lsu-alabama-missouri/index.html?sct=cf_wr_a2

Page Two stuff, eh, behind a three day-old recap of LSU/ALA and a Missouri welcome banner?  Nice.
 
The Staples article was right on.  A (very very very small) part of me thought "Surely there's some explanation.  Perhaps as this plays out, we'll find it was a mistake."  But the rest of me thought "FORTY F*CKING COUNTS!?!"
 
I woulda been Tank-bound (for to borrow a firearm, please) and then on the highway to State College PA with blood in my eye.

[coffee achiever]

Matt Millen cries on ESPN

[The Lord of the Jungle]

I don't blame Matty.  I mean, I'm not even a PSU fan, and I want - desperately - to find something to bail out JoePa.  I very much believe in due process, and I'm sure we haven't even begun to see the twists and turns in this.
 
But...
 
If a fraction of what's been published is true, someone needs to f*cking hang.

[coffee achiever]

I don't blame Matty.  I mean, I'm not even a PSU fan, and I want - desperately - to find something to bail out JoePa.  I very much believe in due process, and I'm sure we haven't even begun to see the twists and turns in this.
 
But...
 
If a fraction of what's been published is true, someone needs to f*cking hang.

I don't blame Matt either. Dude's a PSU grad and a board member of Second Mile. He's probably feeling at least partially responsible for not seeing it sooner. But he certainly doesn't seem inclined to turn a blind eye as the PSU administration did.

[Cap'n Ken]

And one by Mandel proving he is once again a fool, on page 2.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/11/06/sec-lsu-alabama-missouri/index.html?sct=cf_wr_a2

Page Two stuff, eh, behind a three day-old recap of LSU/ALA and a Missouri welcome banner?  Nice.
 
The Staples article was right on.  A (very very very small) part of me thought "Surely there's some explanation.  Perhaps as this plays out, we'll find it was a mistake."  But the rest of me thought "FORTY F*CKING COUNTS!?!"
 
I woulda been Tank-bound (for to borrow a firearm, please) and then on the highway to State College PA with blood in my eye.

No idea why Mandel wouldn't just file separate columns. Staples' Paterno thing is spot on, but he still managed to get to the important things (and links) today - in a separate piece as it should be:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/11/08/muppet-power-rankings/index.html

As I said somewhere some days ago when all this first came out - if Paterno is smart he retires after this season and if he's lucky he dies before the Sandusky tale is done being told in court. Kudos to the Penn State powers-that-be for apparently not affording Paterno an ounce of control in what happens to him at the university.

There is a lot more ugliness that's going to come back on Penn State and Paterno from this. I don't believe for a second this began in 1998, but from that point - when the university police got involved and Sandusky admitted to "wrong" behavior with a boy - Paterno and Penn State are culpable for sure. If Sandusky's 1999 retirement was a way to disassociate a known pederast from the program without having to make it more uncomfortable for him than that (and coincidences usually aren't), a full decade plus of him raping boys in the Penn State showers falls squarely on Paterno and any other people who knew and approved of that.

Even if university officials were only aware of an uncomfortable with the 1998 allegations, allowing that man to be around the program (and showers) with boys after that is unforgivable.

[Cap'n Ken]

I don't blame Matty.  I mean, I'm not even a PSU fan, and I want - desperately - to find something to bail out JoePa.  I very much believe in due process, and I'm sure we haven't even begun to see the twists and turns in this.
 
But...
 
If a fraction of what's been published disclosed from sworn grand jury testimony and investigation is true, someone needs to f*cking hang.

Fixed it. And it is.

[Mudd]

I keep thinking that there are probably dozens and dozens of victims, just as there have been with priests in the Catholic church. Makes your stomach turn.