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Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« on: December 10, 2011, 06:20 pm »
Hey Guys,

I'm doing research for a project and found this particular thread really interesting.  Has saying there should be Indian, or a Bar, or Gym on EAV Buzz made a difference in the type of local businesses you're seeing around the Village? Who do you think should be hearing these suggestions and how what would help to get more of what you want?

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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2011, 06:23 pm »
Nope.  Wish I knew.

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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2011, 06:31 pm »
I don't know if it's made and difference, but the point of creating the board was to get our ideas out there for potential business owners to see. I'd be curious to know if it's informed any decisions.
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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2011, 06:48 pm »
Thanks for the quick replies guys.  How do you all let potential business owners see?  And in the same vein, how are current business owners in the neighborhood seeing when you make comments on how they can make improvements (i.e. the food was too bland, music too loud?).  Are you telling them face-to-face?

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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2011, 06:55 pm »
Is Tomatillo's still bland?   :(~

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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2011, 06:58 pm »
If any new potential business owners don't talk to the neighborhood, and somehow avoid to miss this board, well, that is just stupid.  I would venture a guess to say that 99% of business owners know about the buzz.  It gives tons of feedback from all over the area, good and bad, and a good idea of what we want and or need.
This is a hard neighborhood to start and maintain a business in, because of difficult property owners and a difficult city with jacked up ordinances.

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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2011, 06:58 pm »
Is Tomatillo's still bland?   :(~

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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2011, 07:02 pm »
Ha Ha.. I like Tomatillos!!!!  Really.  o%o

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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2011, 07:46 pm »
I've not seen any noticeable difference.  As for if the business owners know we exist, the established ones certainly do.  Investors looking to potentially open up something in the village, maybe not.  The smarts ones (ie Boners) manage to find us and get our input early in the game.

I don't think it's an accident that the businesses that are most active here are some of the best in the hood (UC, Morellis, Shed, Holy Taco and others).  Because most customers won't say anything directly when they have a bad experience.  They just don't come back.  But you can get HONEST feedback here.  We are a tolerant lot and will give most places second, third and maybe fourth chances.  But we will also air our grievances here.

Me personally, I will give negative feedback in person to places that are close to getting it right.  But if you can't even get the basics right, I don't feel it's worth my time.  Generally when I give negative constructive feedback in person at the time, it's either met with defensiveness or a "How can we make it right so you go away happy" attitude.  Well you can't make it right, you already screwed up my meal/experience which is why I had to say something.  I just want you to know so you can address it for the next customer.

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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2011, 07:59 pm »
The smarts ones (ie Boners) manage to find us and get our input early in the game.
When we were looking at houses I searched the web for "East Atlanta" and found the old EACA board. I'm not sure the Buzz comes up with that search now. But if it does, I would hope potential business owners would check it out.
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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2011, 08:07 pm »
If you look up East Atlanta on Wikipedia there's a link to the Buzz.
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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2011, 08:32 pm »
Remember Czarmangis?

Perfect Take Out Joint

Restaurant X

Haas Closed

Probably a pretty good example for your research.  You can dig some more out here.

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Buzz can and should be a good resource for an entrepreneur, but without knowledge of various user identities, cliques and attitudes and historical perspective on neighborhood politics, I think it confuses more than it informs.

The business owner who's made regular use of the site has almost always prospered though.

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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2011, 08:46 pm »
I think OMGCupsandCakes was warned against renting from Abe Asher the day after the Strut.  So much for heeding the advice. 
Or maybe they're happy and content, living their little donut lives until the monstrous humans come along to rip their doughy flesh open with their teeth, sucking up their jelly innards.

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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2011, 09:41 pm »
Thanks for the quick replies guys.  How do you all let potential business owners see?  And in the same vein, how are current business owners in the neighborhood seeing when you make comments on how they can make improvements (i.e. the food was too bland, music too loud?).  Are you telling them face-to-face?

This board is open to the public, which is probably how you found it. It's easy for somebody interested in East Atlanta to find the Buzz, and easy to find the business boards here.

Smart EAV business owners would see what's being said about their businesses here and take that as data points. And some do. Some I don't think value feedback; some probably only value feedback if you're willing to speak directly to them.

This isn't a place for face-to-face communication. It's online, after all, and messages are seen by everybody rather than just somebody being addressed. I know things mentioned here have been re-told to business owners directly, and in a way that's part of how things should work. But again a business owner should see what's posted here for themselves if they're interested in that sort of feedback.
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Re: Does Saying What You Want Open Make a Difference?
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2011, 07:31 am »
Well, I know I have personally "steered away" (not intentionally) several individuals from entering into lease agreements with Abe - just by strongly encouraging them to do their due diligence, press on allocation of costs of needed improvements, insisting space be to code -- or if not, adequately address in a properly written lease agreement, and have their eyes open.  In particular, I know of two well-capitalized, good business ideas that tried to negotiate with Abe -- and basically his terms were untenable.  They walked away -- and I think were smart to do so.  Largely, I believe he has refused to enter into any standard written lease agreement with his tenants -- just price and term, everything else is your responsibility.   And there's a long string of his past tenants that have been undone by him. So, for his spaces, it's a frustrating circular problem.  In the main, someone who is smart and likely to succeed is also unlikely to agree to his terms.   He doesn't give a shit about the mix of his tenant base.  So we get the not-well-thought-out business plans that are under-capitalized.  And it's not insignificant when he now controls a majority of all available spaces in the village.

I've thrown out some other ideas to people that I thought were very, very good -- they didn't taken 'em up.   I've gone out to other successful businesses in the city and encouraged them to open in EAV.

I met the developer of the Icehouse very early on -- insisted he get his shit together with the NPU, etc. -- wrote down phone numbers, contacts, etc.   Again, advice ignored.  Not that it was his only issue.

And anyone I've run across who thinks about opening a business here I've pointed them to the Buzz among other resources.

But I do think the principal problem comes back to the property owners in the Village.  There's certainly a "buzz" to EAV, still is imho -- nightlife is hopping.  That seems to make other property owners think the value of retail space is much greater than it actually is.   For anything other than a bar/restaurant, the traffic is fairly anemic.  Part of that is a shitty mix of retail; under-utilized spaces; and also I think the footprint of the Village is a bit smaller than it needs to be to reach a critical mass for a retail mix.   A true destination business -- such as a revitalized Madison theatre, would really change things.  But that's a pipe dream -- again, thanks to Mr. Asher who is content to let the space simply rot for reasons known to no one other than himself.  As would a well done mini-grocery;  that's what the Antiques Market cried out to be -- and I think a sorely missed opportunity.  In a way, the lack of development of those types of businesses is perplexing, because I think the demographic for it is here already.

Then you have some oddball single-parcel owners who are not invested at all in the Village (see EALK, et al) and that doesn't help.

Not to digress, but personally, I think stopping the redevelopment on Moreland with the QT was a big mistake.   That type of project might have encouraged others in the Moreland corridor.   Having better development on that strip would be a plus for EAV.